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the debt ceiling has been in place since 1939. you have competing ideas, one on the house, john boehner said we'll raise the debt sealing a dollar for every dollar you cut spending. republicans out of pennsylvania, pat toomey you prioritize the bills you pay for long period of time. weeks and months. make sure the military is taken care of. >> sure. bill: would you back house idea or senate idea or neither? >> i think both are part of the negotiation strategy. i think john boehner's plan to bring down spending dollar for dollar makes a lot of sense and i think pat toomey's does. you don't want to cut very things most critical to the u.s. there is lot of garbage spending in government, believe me, bill, when i say that. why would you make the critical spending the first things you're going to cut except just to hold the country hostage. that is what the democrats are threatening. it doesn't make sense. bill: do you think republicans can win on either option? >> if they do it carefully, slowly and comfortably, yes i do think they ca
the debt ceiling has been in place since 1939. you have competing ideas, one on the house, john boehner said we'll raise the debt sealing a dollar for every dollar you cut spending. republicans out of pennsylvania, pat toomey you prioritize the bills you pay for long period of time. weeks and months. make sure the military is taken care of. >> sure. bill: would you back house idea or senate idea or neither? >> i think both are part of the negotiation strategy. i think john boehner's...
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rid of the debt ceiling. most countries don't have a debt ceiling. you still need votes from congress to authorize spending. you couldn't just borrow willy nilly anyway. the simple fact is the debt ceiling is the one time in the legislative process where you actually get a bill. everyone having all this contest of whose analogy is right, whether it's a family with a budget, whether it's this. or that, whether it's dining and dashing as the president likes to say. the debt ceiling is the moment you get the credit card bill and it's the only moment. and if you can't have a sort of reckoning about your spending habits when you see your credit card bill you're never going to have that reckoning. i'm in favor of it. i'm in favor of any speed bumps towards more spending and this is as good as any. jon: the president was talking about it at his news conference the other day. i want to play something that he had to say and get your reaction. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, socia
rid of the debt ceiling. most countries don't have a debt ceiling. you still need votes from congress to authorize spending. you couldn't just borrow willy nilly anyway. the simple fact is the debt ceiling is the one time in the legislative process where you actually get a bill. everyone having all this contest of whose analogy is right, whether it's a family with a budget, whether it's this. or that, whether it's dining and dashing as the president likes to say. the debt ceiling is the moment...
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meantime the debt and the debt ceiling that we're about to hit again in february, the house is back in session today. they got to address that. republicans pushing for spending cuts at this time could include social security and today vice president biden sits down with cabinet members and members of congress to finalize his recommendation for gown control. we'll present them to the president tomorrow likely to include universal background checks. >> no sleep for you over the next week, right? thank you so much. tracie potts in washington, d.c. >>> former secretary of state colin powell is speaking out on nbc's "meet the press." he endorsed chuck hey goebl the new defense secretary. he said he would do a great job at the pentagon. he fired harsh words at his own republican party. >> there's also a dark, a dark vein of intolerance in some parts of the party. what do i mean by that? what i mean by that is they still sort of look down on minorities. how can i evidence that? when i see a former governor say that the president is schucking and jirv'g that's a slave term. >> u.s. will help f
meantime the debt and the debt ceiling that we're about to hit again in february, the house is back in session today. they got to address that. republicans pushing for spending cuts at this time could include social security and today vice president biden sits down with cabinet members and members of congress to finalize his recommendation for gown control. we'll present them to the president tomorrow likely to include universal background checks. >> no sleep for you over the next week,...
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ceiling isn't raised. your thought on that? >> well, it's so important that we get this debt situation under control, and i think that once again, when you consider what we're doing to our future generations, you know, our children and our grandchildren, currently who have $53,000 debt upon them. we're eroding their possibilities and their opportunities in this great society. so i think we have to have up in washington d.c., the seriousness, to look at the true problem, which is a spending problem. look at mandatory spending programs and we have to stop the exorbitant amount of spending and we have to say, finally, we're going to stop this debt and we're going to get serious, and i think that fitch is very appropriate in saying that if they don't see a curtailing of the spending, that they're going to downgrade us. >> greta: we're going to keep our eye on this, because certainly all eyes are on this debt ceiling these days in washington. stay with us, so congressman, we have much more to talk to you after
ceiling isn't raised. your thought on that? >> well, it's so important that we get this debt situation under control, and i think that once again, when you consider what we're doing to our future generations, you know, our children and our grandchildren, currently who have $53,000 debt upon them. we're eroding their possibilities and their opportunities in this great society. so i think we have to have up in washington d.c., the seriousness, to look at the true problem, which is a...
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there's the debt ceiling, whether or not to raise the debt ceiling. some are talking about shutting the government down when the continuing resolution that authorizes spending for this government runs out, that he would negotiate then on this whole issue of spending cuts and new revenue. and if you cannot get a deal, then you let the government shutdown. some republicans are laying the groundwork for that. then you have the sequestration that was delayed under the fiscal cliff deal. so there are more than one battle happening. where do you think the negotiations should take place? should be the debt ceiling or the continuing resolution to fund the government or sequestration? caller: the continuing revolution to keep the government going -- resolution. there are many departments we don't need. i was showing my grandchildr the debt clock, telling him how much money he would know when he becomes a taxpayer. he said he does not want to become a taxpayer. this is taxation without representation. they have to get this under control. they need a dyiet. host
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ceiling and thereby cause an economic catastrophe. >> the process of raising the debt ceiling should not be used as a political weapon against the american people. >> and say a legislative relic has now been weaponized. >> megyn: well, that was a news conference a short time ago. house democrats hold ago news conference to abolish the debt ceiling even as we watch the debt race up to the 16.4 trillion dollar limit and we hear talk now about circles of whole new class of taxes that the american people may be saddled with. stu varney is varney and company on the fox business network. they're not the majority in the house, but there is he' a push to make them the majority in the house. and president obama is reportedly maneuvering in a lot of ways, politically now to try to set the democrats up to retake control of the house and there's a question about whether as soon as 2014, if they get their way, they're going to get rid of the debt ceiling. what would that do? >> what they want is unlimited borrowing by the administration so the treasury can say, i want to borrow, this, this, this,
ceiling and thereby cause an economic catastrophe. >> the process of raising the debt ceiling should not be used as a political weapon against the american people. >> and say a legislative relic has now been weaponized. >> megyn: well, that was a news conference a short time ago. house democrats hold ago news conference to abolish the debt ceiling even as we watch the debt race up to the 16.4 trillion dollar limit and we hear talk now about circles of whole new class of taxes...
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here's one way washington can avoid the debt ceiling showdown, get rid of the debt ceiling altogether. tracy: and grounded, and other emergency landing for boeing's dreamliners. planned as the top two airlines stopped planes from flying altogether. lori: on a post-it note just isn't enough. employee who allegedly stole $400,000 worth of copy machine toner and resold it on the black market. you have to hear it to believe it. tracy: top of the hour. nicole petallides on the floor of the new york stock exchange. we can't seem to find our footing. nicole: interestingly enough we are not too far off of the unchanged line but we are up six of the last eight trading weeks. hovering around five year highs. as you noted early on, talk a lot about boeing weighing on the dow jones industrials today play with one issue after another. the s&p 500 down one point at 1471. it is also earning season. how they are faring. they came out obviously earnings-per-share eating earnings slightly miss. a new high for dell. and all those names are lower. continue to follow earnings here all week on fox business
here's one way washington can avoid the debt ceiling showdown, get rid of the debt ceiling altogether. tracy: and grounded, and other emergency landing for boeing's dreamliners. planned as the top two airlines stopped planes from flying altogether. lori: on a post-it note just isn't enough. employee who allegedly stole $400,000 worth of copy machine toner and resold it on the black market. you have to hear it to believe it. tracy: top of the hour. nicole petallides on the floor of the new york...
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get rid of the debt ceiling all together. that's the limit on how much money the government can borrow. the feds say they could run out of money to pay the bills as soon as next month but republicans refuse to raise the debt limit without new spending cuts. doug mckelway is life on capitol hill. what is the plan from these house democrats? good evening. >> well, bill, they introduced legislation today that would basically amend the statute. the law that put the debt ceiling in place in the first place. it would do so by removing the cap on the treasury of borrowing money. its chances of passage in the republican controlled house are basically slim and none. but at least it allows democrats to paint the republicans as extremists in their desire to attach the debt ceiling to spending cuts. and that's exactly what congressman gerald nadler democrat of new york did today along with other democrats, listen up. >> the intent on blackmailing the country. they say to us if you do not agree to massive cuts to social security, medicare
get rid of the debt ceiling all together. that's the limit on how much money the government can borrow. the feds say they could run out of money to pay the bills as soon as next month but republicans refuse to raise the debt limit without new spending cuts. doug mckelway is life on capitol hill. what is the plan from these house democrats? good evening. >> well, bill, they introduced legislation today that would basically amend the statute. the law that put the debt ceiling in place in...
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debt ceiling discussion, debt ceiling and the fact that the federal government will run out of money at the end of march. >> all those bring a confluence of an opportunity to drive a debate and drive changes that get us towards long-term prosperity and get us off of this notion that we can just continue to borrow and spend. >> reporter: it is clear most republicans want there to be spending cuts as part of these fiscal matters as they work on long-term extensions or solving these problems long term. jenna. jenna: mike, if we're hearing this, then the white house is probably hearing this as well. any reaction from the white house about potentially this plan from republicans? report or the jenna, --. >> reporter: jenna white house officials are saying if congress doesn't want to raise the debt ceiling they should authority rise president obama to do it himself. they should extend it so it doesn't cause concern for the economy and global markets. >> longstanding tradition for the congress to raise the debt ceiling. this is power they have given themselves, the point is without delay. a
debt ceiling discussion, debt ceiling and the fact that the federal government will run out of money at the end of march. >> all those bring a confluence of an opportunity to drive a debate and drive changes that get us towards long-term prosperity and get us off of this notion that we can just continue to borrow and spend. >> reporter: it is clear most republicans want there to be spending cuts as part of these fiscal matters as they work on long-term extensions or solving these...
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but his first priority is getting congress to increase the nation's debt ceiling at that talk about cutting the debt. that's where some think he will try to cement his legacy. >> he's going to try to get our long term in thailand obligations under control and set us on a new fiscal course. >> the president's first foreign-policy priority last term was israeli-palestinian peace. it's unlikely to take the top spot the second time, where most expect the president's focus to be on iran. >> it's hard to believe if we can't get a meaningful negotiation within the next two years that you will not have it read capable of producing a nuclear weapons. then, the u.s. has the choice in its negotiations -- will the solution be containment or is it going to be a preventive strike? >> as he takes the oath again, he will do it with the experience of that presidencies are often formed by crises that happened outside of their control. he will know all folksy brought here last i did not change washington. he will try something -- you have to try something new if you want to accomplish his ambitious agenda thi
but his first priority is getting congress to increase the nation's debt ceiling at that talk about cutting the debt. that's where some think he will try to cement his legacy. >> he's going to try to get our long term in thailand obligations under control and set us on a new fiscal course. >> the president's first foreign-policy priority last term was israeli-palestinian peace. it's unlikely to take the top spot the second time, where most expect the president's focus to be on iran....
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debt ceiling. i love the debt clock. it's almost as fast as the amount of money they're going to earn tr nike. >> and is we'll talk about that. >> meanwhile, fed chairman ben bernanke speaking monday warned the u.s. economy isn't out of the woods yet and is still at risk from political gridlock. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effect of way to improve your credit rating. >> ben bernanke says the u.s. economy appears to be willing to raise the debt ceiling. it's downplaying fierce that this could lead to higher inflation. >>. >> what do you think? >> well, i think, you know, what we've seen in the beginning of the year, like the solution of the fiscal cliff for the
debt ceiling. i love the debt clock. it's almost as fast as the amount of money they're going to earn tr nike. >> and is we'll talk about that. >> meanwhile, fed chairman ben bernanke speaking monday warned the u.s. economy isn't out of the woods yet and is still at risk from political gridlock. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new...
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ceiling issue. >> on the debt ceiling. >> that's not what he's doing. that's the reality. >> the american public has got to step up and say we understand the government in washington is too bloated. we're spending more money than we take in. we eve got to live within our means. they ought to demand, the american public, that we quit the nonsensical spending. in states we're doing more with less. we've cut our budgets and we're providing better services now and a leaner more efficient fashion. the federal government should do the same thing, and president obama is the one person who can lead on this issue. grow the economy by bringing in some certainty to it. if he wants to fight hard for tax rate increases, he ought to be fighting just as hard for spending cuts. >> you know, governor, he made an interesting point during his news conference this week where he said if -- if this debate is just about reducing the fiscal deficit, he's on board and let's get it done, but he suspects that there are a lot of conservative republicans out there for whom this deb
ceiling issue. >> on the debt ceiling. >> that's not what he's doing. that's the reality. >> the american public has got to step up and say we understand the government in washington is too bloated. we're spending more money than we take in. we eve got to live within our means. they ought to demand, the american public, that we quit the nonsensical spending. in states we're doing more with less. we've cut our budgets and we're providing better services now and a leaner more...
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over raising the debt ceiling. a loss of confidence in the u.s. dollar. dunkin brands has set its sights on the golden coast again. they will be opening up shop in southern california in 2015. returning to the state after more than a decade. the dow is down 25 points. that is the latest from the fox business network. giving you the power to prosper. ♪ connell: we are back here on market now. bringing back $36 million worth of gold. the bank said in a statement, it will repatriate gold stored in paris and new york. this follows some criticisms that came in over the oversight of gold. new york still has 37% of the reserves. dagen: that is pretty cool. sobering news for energy drink consumers. the number of people visiting ers or emergency rooms after drinking the beverages has doubled nationwide. that is up more than 10,000 cases from 2007-2010. it is a rising health problems that can cause insomnia, fast heart rate and seizures. movement by the government potentially to regulate the sale of these drinks. like fda. we shall see. if you drink too many of t
over raising the debt ceiling. a loss of confidence in the u.s. dollar. dunkin brands has set its sights on the golden coast again. they will be opening up shop in southern california in 2015. returning to the state after more than a decade. the dow is down 25 points. that is the latest from the fox business network. giving you the power to prosper. ♪ connell: we are back here on market now. bringing back $36 million worth of gold. the bank said in a statement, it will repatriate gold stored...
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stuart: do you want to sign a debt ceiling increase, do it now? >> no, i don't, but at the same time i would like to have some common sense in the discussion. what we have got are two sides that are also putting other factions at work and other hidden agendas at work and i don't think that's going to get us anywhere soon. that's what makes us look bad, is the fight, not really the outcome, it is the fight. so if we can come to an agreement where we're all happy i think that's possible then we can move on. it makes us look embarrassing to the rest of the world. stuart: what do you think the odds are of a downgrade? >> i think there's a 30% chance, maybe 35% chance. stuart: okay. we will check it out. thank you very much scott shellady always a pleasure. the cost of college tuition continues to rise, got it, but the number of students enrolling is on a decline. fears of massive college debt and the lack of job opportunities when you graduate, that has a lot of families realizing that maybe college isn't worth the investment. joining us now is the au
stuart: do you want to sign a debt ceiling increase, do it now? >> no, i don't, but at the same time i would like to have some common sense in the discussion. what we have got are two sides that are also putting other factions at work and other hidden agendas at work and i don't think that's going to get us anywhere soon. that's what makes us look bad, is the fight, not really the outcome, it is the fight. so if we can come to an agreement where we're all happy i think that's possible...
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and the credit agencies say they are going to lower our ratings but not because of the debt ceiling, but because they want a credible deficit reduction plan, and the president doesn't seem to be interested in actually coming up with a credible way to deal with the amount of spending we are doing in this country. bill: if that is the says, doyoo many me, do you think it can get through the senate. >> i imagine harry reid under the direction of the president will try to block these things. i'm going to continue to cosponsor senator haopl me's plan. we have a spending problem in this country. they know it in wyoming, families have to balance their budget every year. many states do. we do in wyoming. it's time for this senate and the house and the president to get serious about limiting our spending and specifically the wasteful spending that continues. in the last hour stewart varney and martha talked about some of the abuses that continue to go on. people know that their tax dollars are being wasted. we need to get the spending under control. bill: two days ago brit hume told us this w
and the credit agencies say they are going to lower our ratings but not because of the debt ceiling, but because they want a credible deficit reduction plan, and the president doesn't seem to be interested in actually coming up with a credible way to deal with the amount of spending we are doing in this country. bill: if that is the says, doyoo many me, do you think it can get through the senate. >> i imagine harry reid under the direction of the president will try to block these things....
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ceiling to avoid a potentially disastrous debt default. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits. it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying oh, i know how we can save money we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. >> but the chairman was fairly upbeat on the outlook for u.s. growth. but, gave no clear hints on when the fed would curb its aggressive bond purchases. we'll have more on the debt ceiling in the next hour when we speak to senator rob portman. you guys, wilbur, you also said we have -- we are fully ready with inflation, we have all the tools we need to exit. >> well, i caution a little bit. historically the fed has always bought short-term paper and it's easy then to raise the interest rates. again you let the paper roll off, you sell it. now they've been buying long-term paper. rates start to go up, fed cou
ceiling to avoid a potentially disastrous debt default. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits. it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying oh, i know how we can save money we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. >>...
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the nation's debt ceiling. to cut to red, my next guest advocates more green when it comes to health care. the called the health reduction. she said there would be a method. explain. >> well, actually, the public option would decrease the deficit by about $104 billion over ten years. >> how too you know that? >> that's the congressional budget office estimate. of what it would do. this is not numbers i made up. because it would inn fact lower the -- provide an option -- this would be completely by choice -- for people who don't want to pick this public option, among the private sector choices within a health exchange, and rates for premiums are estimated to be about 5 to 7% lower, meaning those people in the exchange that needed a subsidy would take fewer tax dollars and it is also estimated that it would serve as an anchor, because there's competition, to bring down the cost of health care, even in the private sector as well. >> when is the government -- when is the government ever done that? with george bush'
the nation's debt ceiling. to cut to red, my next guest advocates more green when it comes to health care. the called the health reduction. she said there would be a method. explain. >> well, actually, the public option would decrease the deficit by about $104 billion over ten years. >> how too you know that? >> that's the congressional budget office estimate. of what it would do. this is not numbers i made up. because it would inn fact lower the -- provide an option -- this...
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he's refusing to negotiate, so if the gop ties the debt ceiling to the current budget battle. listen to this. >> republicans and congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. >> steve: here is somebody who dealt with enormous deficits firsthand, the former governor of the golden state of california, arnold schwarzenegger. good morning to you. >> good morning. nice to be here again. >> brian: he sends a warning to the republicans should they back off or take on the president? >> first of all, i think i find it interesting that when you want to have more money, if you go to any financial institution, they say look, i can't pay my bills, i need more money. they want to see their payment plan. how are you going to live responsible from here on? then you can get more money. so i don't understand that why this should not be a part of the discussion because it ought to be. i think ameri
he's refusing to negotiate, so if the gop ties the debt ceiling to the current budget battle. listen to this. >> republicans and congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. >> steve: here is somebody who dealt with enormous deficits firsthand, the former governor of the golden state...
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congress has just weeks to increase our debt ceiling. fitch, a leading credit ratings agency, says a repeat of the 2011 debt limit crisis would spark a formal review of our country's aaa rating. that could mean a downgrade by them. now you might remember, s&p, a different agency, already downgraded our country in 2011. that was the first time in our history that that happened. the president is taking a hard-line stand, issuing a warning of his own to the gop. >> we have to pay our bills. congress has two choices here. we can act responsibly and pay america's bills. or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. jenna: republicans like congressman jason chaffetz blasting back against the president. >> i think the president was terribly irresponsible today. to say he will not talk about it because he is above it, but blame all of congress, in part congress helped create this problem but we are going to hear to solve this pr
congress has just weeks to increase our debt ceiling. fitch, a leading credit ratings agency, says a repeat of the 2011 debt limit crisis would spark a formal review of our country's aaa rating. that could mean a downgrade by them. now you might remember, s&p, a different agency, already downgraded our country in 2011. that was the first time in our history that that happened. the president is taking a hard-line stand, issuing a warning of his own to the gop. >> we have to pay our...
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for example they have a another crisis debt ceiling the rating agencies are going to say we're going to cut your rating from aaa it was already downgraded once very few credits now in the world have aaa which means that the collateral holding up the devil's derivatives the really the biggest ponzi scheme of all if you thought i am i was a ponzi scheme it's nothing compared to the devil's derivatives so the collateral is collapsing nick dunbar even the ability to float massive ponzi scheme our central banks related fraud by fraud meisters like jamie diamond east still need a aaa rated credit but now those are disappearing what's going to happen in six months from now when there is no aaa rated credit at all in the world and this whole gram of derivatives chicanery. it just goes away doesn't it well if you say it's a good thing that people haven't got the illusion of aaa safety some ways it was a substitute for doing your own homework actually looking a little hood and seeing whether an investment was was a really safe as people said it was their job or are author of the devil's deriva
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for example they have a another crisis debt ceiling the rating agencies are going to say we're going to cut your rating from aaa it was already downgraded once very few credits down the world have aaa which means that the collateral holding up the devil's derivatives the really the biggest ponzi scheme of all if you thought i am i was a ponzi scheme it's nothing compared to the devil's derivatives so the collateral is collapsing nick dunbar even the ability to float massive ponzi scheme our central banks related fraud by fraud meisters like jamie diamond east still need a aaa rated credit but now those are disappearing what's going to happen in six months from now when there is no aaa rated credit at all in the world and this whole gram of derivatives chicanery. it just goes away doesn't it well you say it's a good thing that people haven't got the illusion of aaa safety and some ways it was a substitute for doing your own homework actually looking under the hood and seeing whether an investment was was a really as safe as people said it was done by our author of the devil's derivati
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for example they have a another crisis debt ceiling the rating agencies are going to say we're going to cut your rating from aaa it was already downgraded once very few credits down the world have aaa which means that the collateral holding up the devil's derivatives the really the biggest ponzi scheme of all if you thought i am i was a ponzi scheme it's nothing compared to the devil's derivatives so the collateral is collapsing nick dunbar even the ability to float massive ponzi scheme our central baghdad related fraud by fraud meisters like jamie diamond east still need a aaa rated credit but now those are disappearing what's going to happen in six months from now when there is no aaa rated credit at all in the world and this whole gram of derivatives chicanery. it just goes away doesn't it well you say it's a good thing that people haven't got the illusion of aaa safety and some ways it was a substitute for doing your own homework and actually looking under the hood and seeing whether an investment was was a really safe as people said it was done by our author of the devil's deriv
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we will meet our obligations on our debt regardless of the debt ceiling. we will not default. that is an absolute, we will not default. the idea that we will if we don't raise the debt creel something an absolute flat out myth. >> gretchen: what else did he say you didn't agree with? >> the use of the expression, dead beat nation, that really is talking down america. the president is encouraging congress, encouraging america to pay its bills using a credit card to pay its bills, using borrowed money to pay its bills. that credit card will never be paid off and the balance on it will never be paid down. that is dead beat behavior and that should be pointed out. by using that expression, the president is talk down america. we stand not as tall in the eyes of the world when the president uses that kind of language. >> gretchen: could it also be he was talking down to republicans because he thinks right now that he has the majority of the american people on his side? to me, his words, whether or not they're true, resonate with some americans because he simplifies his message and d
we will meet our obligations on our debt regardless of the debt ceiling. we will not default. that is an absolute, we will not default. the idea that we will if we don't raise the debt creel something an absolute flat out myth. >> gretchen: what else did he say you didn't agree with? >> the use of the expression, dead beat nation, that really is talking down america. the president is encouraging congress, encouraging america to pay its bills using a credit card to pay its bills,...
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for example they have a another crisis debt ceiling the rating agencies are going to say we're going to cut your rating from aaa it was already downgraded once very few credits down the world have aaa which means that the collateral holding up the devil's derivatives the really the biggest ponzi scheme of all if you thought i am i was a ponzi scheme it's nothing compared to the devil's derivatives so the collateral is collapsing nick dunbar even the ability to float massive ponzi scheme our central banks related fraud by fraud meisters like jamie diamond east still need a aaa rated credit but now those are disappearing what's going to happen in six months from now when there is no aaa rated credit at all in the world and this whole gram of derivatives chicanery. it just goes away doesn't it well you say it's a good thing that people haven't got the illusion of aaa safety and some ways it was a substitute for doing your own homework actually looking a little good and seeing whether an investment was was a really safe as people said it was done by our author of the devil's derivative a
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>> reporter: house speaker john boehner says the american do not support raising the debt ceiling without cutting spending at the same time. boehner calls the debt an anchor on our economy. here's the leading senate republican, making his point. >> it's sort of like you have a kid who exceeds the credit card limit. you tear up the credit card, but you look at the spending. the republicans are willing to pay for past bills. these are about future bills. the president is missing the point that we are on an unsustainable path. >> reporter: portman acknowledges the need to raise the debt ceiling, but he supports the context of getting a handle on the spenning. >> shepard: this is disaster relief for victims of super storm sand gee right. we have had plenty of lawmakers saying we need to get a handle on government spending, but not when people are waiting for major disaster relief money. a key new jersey democrat is saying people from new york, new jersey and connecticut pay their fair share. three state, 16% of the taxes. you ask the question: who suffered because of super storm sandy? certai
>> reporter: house speaker john boehner says the american do not support raising the debt ceiling without cutting spending at the same time. boehner calls the debt an anchor on our economy. here's the leading senate republican, making his point. >> it's sort of like you have a kid who exceeds the credit card limit. you tear up the credit card, but you look at the spending. the republicans are willing to pay for past bills. these are about future bills. the president is missing the...
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you saw that, for example, in the debt ceiling fight. first debt ceiling fight in 2011, the president could not go to the brink, because he was worried if they went over the brink -- >> sure. >> -- economic downturn, you don't win. now you can take a harder line. on the other hand in a second term there's often the sense that you have a narrow window on domestic issues with congress, probably about a year, maybe two at the most to get things done and then your attention usually turns more to foreign policy. but the biggest thing is that 1600 pennsylvania avenue is kind of a dangerous neighborhood. if you hang around there long enough, the odds start going against you. often the second term has been very tough for presidents. we'll see if this one can avoid that precedent. >> never heard it described that way. dangerous neighborhood. dangerous territory. >> yes. >> ron brownstein, nice to see you this morning. thank you very much. >>> next hour, what are we missing? is there an issue that no one is talking about now that will define the p
you saw that, for example, in the debt ceiling fight. first debt ceiling fight in 2011, the president could not go to the brink, because he was worried if they went over the brink -- >> sure. >> -- economic downturn, you don't win. now you can take a harder line. on the other hand in a second term there's often the sense that you have a narrow window on domestic issues with congress, probably about a year, maybe two at the most to get things done and then your attention usually...
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for example they have a another crisis debt ceiling the rating agencies are going to say we're going to cut your rating from aaa it was already downgraded once very few credits down the world have aaa which means that the collateral holding up the devil's derivatives the really the biggest ponzi scheme of all if you thought i am i was a ponzi scheme it's nothing compared to the devil's derivatives so the collateral is collapsing nick dunbar even the ability to float massive ponzi scheme our central banks related fraud by fraud meisters like jamie diamond east still need a aaa rated credit but now those are disappearing what's going to happen in six months from now when there is no aaa rated credit at all in the world and this whole gram of derivatives chicanery. it just goes away doesn't it well if you say it's a good thing that people haven't got the illusion of aaa safety some ways it was a substitute for doing your own homework actually looking under the hood and seeing whether an investment was was a really safe as people said it was other of the devil's derivative and special to
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first, we know we are approaching the debt ceiling. second, sequestration will go into effect in two months, and third, funding for the government will expire march 27. these are opportunities to make real changes in spending. i'm excited to be representing indiana's fifth district and i'm ready to get to work. there is no decision, no reason, we need to wait until the 11th hour to start talking about the tough decisions we must make for the future of our country. it is time we commit to saving these important programs. for those who need them -- saving these programs for those who need them and getting our economic house in order for the future generations of my children and my grandchildren, and our clint's children and grandchildren. let this 113th congress that chose to tackle real problems instead of handing them down to our chern. let's embrace solutions that can set us on a path to a more sustainable future. >> my thanks to the dwisht gentlelady. i now recognize -- mr. messer: i recognize the gentlelady from south bend. my condo
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but you also have the president is up against republicans, he trying to work on the debt ceiling. you have the whole issue of whether or not the debt ceiling is going to be raised, whether or not that is going to be held hostage to actually paying the bills the government has to pay. you also talk about immigration reform. where does this fit in in terms of the president's priorities, do you think? >> well, from where i sat today, obviously it seems to be a very high priority for the president of the united states. i'll let the white house and the administration answer how they're going to deal with congress. that's their task, not mine. but i'm confident that the president, the vice president and the entire administration is going to do everything they can to get the package they proposed today through congress. and, you know, when you heard the president say, i think it's essential, american citizens, the american people have to demand this. we have to act. when you have 1,000 people nearly killed in last 30 days at the hands of gun, when you have mass tragedies like happened in
but you also have the president is up against republicans, he trying to work on the debt ceiling. you have the whole issue of whether or not the debt ceiling is going to be raised, whether or not that is going to be held hostage to actually paying the bills the government has to pay. you also talk about immigration reform. where does this fit in in terms of the president's priorities, do you think? >> well, from where i sat today, obviously it seems to be a very high priority for the...
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for example they have a another crisis debt ceiling the rating agencies are going to say we're going to cut your rating from aaa it was already downgraded once very few credits down the world have aaa which means that the collateral holding up the devil's derivatives the really the biggest ponzi scheme of all if you thought i am i was a ponzi scheme this is it's nothing compared to the devil's derivatives so the collateral is collapsing nick dunbar even the ability to float massive ponzi scheme our central baghdad related fraud by fraud meisters like jamie diamond east still need a aaa rating credit but now those are disappearing what's going to happen in six months from now when there is no aaa rated credit at all in the world and this whole gram of derivatives chicanery. it just goes away doesn't it well if you say it's a good thing that people haven't got the illusion of aaa safety some ways it was a substitute for doing your own homework actually looking a little hood and seeing whether an investment was was a really safe as people said it was author of the devil's derivative and
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debt ceiling. the coke group americans for prosperity is urging restraint from republicans during the negotiations. these guys you said are on the right have moved to those guys you said were in the center, some of them, anyway, right? >> i think -- >> these guys are folding, caving. they know obama has them on the run, as far as public opinion. they're running off -- >> nothing is ever simple. the debt ceiling is only 1 of 3. >> you'd sequester -- >> i think we will see the sequester, the path of least resistance. congress has to do something to prevent the sequester and the president agree to it. it's unlikely, 1$1.2 trillion, using the dollar for dollar basis, do it twice and -- >> have you seen "41," movie, "41." i saw a couple clips and president bush talking about the nixon year, because he was there and what was it like to be a republican. he said it was not a great time to be a republican at the end of the nixon era and the prospects for the party didn't look very positive. i don't know. it
debt ceiling. the coke group americans for prosperity is urging restraint from republicans during the negotiations. these guys you said are on the right have moved to those guys you said were in the center, some of them, anyway, right? >> i think -- >> these guys are folding, caving. they know obama has them on the run, as far as public opinion. they're running off -- >> nothing is ever simple. the debt ceiling is only 1 of 3. >> you'd sequester -- >> i think we...
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another big issue facing congress is the debt ceiling. treasury secretary timothy geithner released a letter this week saying the government could run out its borrowing authority in as little as four weeks. now, republicans are trying to use this chance to force the democrats into serious long-term spending cuts but obama insists this is about paying the bills congress has already racked up. more bill up next. just be grateful current tv does not come in smellivision. the sweatshirt is nice and all but i could use a golden lasso. (vo) only on current tv. >> announcer: broad broadcasting across the nation and on tv on current tv. >> bill: breaking news, clarence thomas has spoken. for the first time in seven years. at the supreme court. clarence thomas uttered maybe three words. maybe four. nobody is sure what he said. but he did show signs of life. oh, my god. what do you say? good morning everybody. with that bit of astounding news, we start off the "full court press" this tuesday morning, january 15. great to see you today. welcome, wel
another big issue facing congress is the debt ceiling. treasury secretary timothy geithner released a letter this week saying the government could run out its borrowing authority in as little as four weeks. now, republicans are trying to use this chance to force the democrats into serious long-term spending cuts but obama insists this is about paying the bills congress has already racked up. more bill up next. just be grateful current tv does not come in smellivision. the sweatshirt is nice and...
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. >> now the ongoing debate on capitol hill over the debt ceiling. charles krauthammer is taking on the on thepresident's approach. the president isn't interested in fixing the problem but instead breaking the gop. >> the entire strategy for the fiscal cliff was to split the republica republicans. it hading in to do, his offers had nothing do with solving the fiscal he shall ue or solving the debt. he showed no interest in reducing the debt since the day he was elected in 2008. he appoints a commission two years later he ignore it is. he never talked about structural cuts or entitlements. he wants the entitlement states if you want a european entitlement state you need taxation. his strategy is to split, fracture and therefore neuter the republicans in the house. that is all that stands between him and total dominance in washington in his second term. he wants a return to 2009 and 2010 when he had control of both houses he had a super majority in the senate huge majority in the house and revolutionized healthcare and hugest spending in galactic histo
. >> now the ongoing debate on capitol hill over the debt ceiling. charles krauthammer is taking on the on thepresident's approach. the president isn't interested in fixing the problem but instead breaking the gop. >> the entire strategy for the fiscal cliff was to split the republica republicans. it hading in to do, his offers had nothing do with solving the fiscal he shall ue or solving the debt. he showed no interest in reducing the debt since the day he was elected in 2008. he...
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this time of course it' over the debt ceiling. and it's going to be big, because it really reflects two different visions of what the debt ceiling is all about. for the president, you heard today, it's about paying your bill. going to a restaurant. picking up the tab for food you've already eaten. fine. >> very common sense, yes. >> very common sense. for republicans, it's about solving a problem. making a government that is too big, smaller and getting control of runaway spending on entitlements like social security and medicare and fixing a long-term problem. it's not just about paying the bills. it's about the future. >> right, but there are also a lot of political calculations in here. i assume they're very close to the political calculations we saw in the last crisis. >> yes, they are, although, you know, in the last crisis it was very clear that the president had the let me rverage. he had just won the election. he had won an election over the tax issue and the republicans lost over the tax issue. they're pushing that so far
this time of course it' over the debt ceiling. and it's going to be big, because it really reflects two different visions of what the debt ceiling is all about. for the president, you heard today, it's about paying your bill. going to a restaurant. picking up the tab for food you've already eaten. fine. >> very common sense, yes. >> very common sense. for republicans, it's about solving a problem. making a government that is too big, smaller and getting control of runaway spending...
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the big concern is debt ceiling talks in washington. federal reserve chairman ben bernanke says the debt ceiling law should be scrapped all together and outgoing treasury secretary tim geithner sent a letter to congress urging action, warning the treasury would run out of measures in february to keep the bills being paid on time. we're seeing some big moves in tech stocks, pc maker dell could go private, pushing the stock up in the premarket this morning, the rumors pushed the stock up 13% yesterday. dell's been struggling for years, once the pc king, it failed to get into the tablet and smartphone space and apple shares dived when it was a report iphone 5 sales could be falling off. >> that's surprising. >> if you look at my friends everybody likes the bigger screen. >> i thought you were going statistics. >> it's everything to do with samsung and less what the iphone looks like. >> people seem to like the bigger screens. i-phone is a tiny, tiny screen. >> can i get you on the record, in the end, will house republicans agree to raise t
the big concern is debt ceiling talks in washington. federal reserve chairman ben bernanke says the debt ceiling law should be scrapped all together and outgoing treasury secretary tim geithner sent a letter to congress urging action, warning the treasury would run out of measures in february to keep the bills being paid on time. we're seeing some big moves in tech stocks, pc maker dell could go private, pushing the stock up in the premarket this morning, the rumors pushed the stock up 13%...
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but when it comes to the debt ceiling, the debt ceiling, by definition, isn't about authorization new spending. it is about paying the bills that we have already racked up. so are you just trying to say that you want to have this conversation together, at the same time? >> this is about, this is -- raising the debt ceiling is like raising your credit card limit. and historically, this has been a debate. you look over the last four presidents in this country, and there's been a debate, every time, it has come to raising the debt ceiling. because there's a recognition, for years now, that the federal government has been spending way more than it should, way beyond its means, much more than it's actually bringing in. and now, it is -- we cannot continue to kick this can down the road. we've come to the end of the road. it is time for us to stop spending money we don't have. >> former republican speaker newt gingrich is not exactly conflict averse, i think you'd agree, and he has warned the house republicans not to take up this debt ceiling fight. listen. >> asking barack obama not to be
but when it comes to the debt ceiling, the debt ceiling, by definition, isn't about authorization new spending. it is about paying the bills that we have already racked up. so are you just trying to say that you want to have this conversation together, at the same time? >> this is about, this is -- raising the debt ceiling is like raising your credit card limit. and historically, this has been a debate. you look over the last four presidents in this country, and there's been a debate,...
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. >> you're also talking about the debt ceiling, three-month extension on that. >> the interesting development is that house republicans had a retreat in williamsburg and just came out with word they want to extend the debt ceiling for about two, three months because they don't -- they want to have a battle over spending with the president but not over the possibility of default. they know that would tank the economy. it would rile up the financial marks. i think they'll kick that down -- markets. i think they'll kick that down the road and have a fight over sequestration. one way or another they'll have a logger head with the president when it comes to cuts and dramatic spending. >> your power play of the week? >> reverend ruiz leon, the church of the president. i've lived in washington 30 plus years and never been inside the church, driven past it plenty. beautiful place. presidents have gone there since 1816. president obama will go there for his preinaugural worship service monday. >> speaking of inauguration, big plans for ask you? are you attending any balls? >> thank god, no. i'm way to
. >> you're also talking about the debt ceiling, three-month extension on that. >> the interesting development is that house republicans had a retreat in williamsburg and just came out with word they want to extend the debt ceiling for about two, three months because they don't -- they want to have a battle over spending with the president but not over the possibility of default. they know that would tank the economy. it would rile up the financial marks. i think they'll kick that...
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bernanke weighing in on the debt ceiling in michigan late yesterday. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. >> the metaphors, jim, whether it's a family not paying the credit card bills, the president saying it's like dining and dashing at a restaurant, the only thing is we've got two weeks of respite and then we're off to the races again. >> after the civil war, there was tremendous partisanship in this country. a tumultuous time. the level of bipartisanship. there's such hatred that you can't get in a room. it never seems like obama gets in the room. biden got in the room beforehand. but look, everybody hates each other down there. it's exactly the opposite of what you would expect from a respected nation
bernanke weighing in on the debt ceiling in michigan late yesterday. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit...
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also, the next fight in washington will be over the debt ceiling. can president obama end this craziness and bypass congress altogether? we'll talk about the out of the box solutions and whether they would work. >>> and, finally, this is the signature of the man who might be the next treasury secretary. we'll look back through history to see if there's any loopy president. speaking of secretaries of the treasury three former holders of the office and many other statesmen and women offering advice to the president on a new gps special tonight "memo to the president, road map for a second term." tonight at 8:00 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. eastern and pacific. >>> first, here's my take. chuck hagel's nomination as america's next secretary of defense has drawn fire from people who say he's outside of the main stream. in fact, he's a pretty straight forward, traditional republican on most issues with a reluctance to go to war, born of knowledge and experience. where hagel does appear out of the mainstream in washington's world of group think is on iran. which i
also, the next fight in washington will be over the debt ceiling. can president obama end this craziness and bypass congress altogether? we'll talk about the out of the box solutions and whether they would work. >>> and, finally, this is the signature of the man who might be the next treasury secretary. we'll look back through history to see if there's any loopy president. speaking of secretaries of the treasury three former holders of the office and many other statesmen and women...
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to come up with a strategy over the drama over the debt ceiling. continuing resolution and sequester cuts. one of them admits it's a tough situation for them. >> there is no celebration in the fact we are a nation of $16 trillion in debt. you have somebody in the white house that says to do the one thing that makes no sense whatsoever. that is raise the debt creeling with no change in the future. that is absurd argument. >> let's get more on the republican messaging from senior political analyst. brit hume. good evening. >> hi, bret. >> the house republicans are not wrong to seek spending cut to allow borrowing by a treasury more than $16 trillion in debt. but in politics it's not enough to be right. you need to be effective. it requires recognition that politics is a team sport and being united is critical. this is true if the party controls one house of congress and the other party not only has the other one but the white house as well. consider what happened in the recent fiscal cliff end game. taxes were set to go up by law on january 1. some h
to come up with a strategy over the drama over the debt ceiling. continuing resolution and sequester cuts. one of them admits it's a tough situation for them. >> there is no celebration in the fact we are a nation of $16 trillion in debt. you have somebody in the white house that says to do the one thing that makes no sense whatsoever. that is raise the debt creeling with no change in the future. that is absurd argument. >> let's get more on the republican messaging from senior...